Originally by: Eternum Praetorian

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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 19/08/2011 18:11:02

Originally by: Ingvar Angst

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Here's a thought... it gives too much information.

Yeah, sorry... but keep in mind, I live in a wormhole. You add this to wormholes and you're degrading a lot of the frontier feel... it's too easy to get too much info with this.

I'm not saying it isn't a bad or creative idea, not in the least. But it would take that special "no local" feel away from wormholes and push them to being too similar to lesser systems outside the holes.

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"Black hole is interfering with your scanner" ?


I'm on fire!!!!! LOL

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Originally by: Callic Veratar

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Originally by: Ingvar Angst

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Tie it to sec status perhaps... the further down in sec status the system is the weaker the scanner gets. Once you get to -0.9 or -0.95 it fails completely, making the more dangerous systems actually more dangerous.

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I like that idea, in a 1.0 system, scanning is easy and gives good information on wide sweep settings. ie You could pick up an interceptor at warp flying 10AU away. Compared to a -1.0 system where you'd have trouble picking up a small fleet at 1AU.

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Originally by: Callic Veratar

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Edited by: Callic Veratar on 19/08/2011 19:10:28

Originally by: Ingvar Angst

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Originally by: Callic Veratar

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Originally by: Ingvar Angst

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Tie it to sec status perhaps... the further down in sec status the system is the weaker the scanner gets. Once you get to -0.9 or -0.95 it fails completely, making the more dangerous systems actually more dangerous.

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I like that idea, in a 1.0 system, scanning is easy and gives good information on wide sweep settings. ie You could pick up an interceptor at warp flying 10AU away. Compared to a -1.0 system where you'd have trouble picking up a small fleet at 1AU.

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No, higher than that... maybe -.89 or so. It needs to be ineffective completely in wormholes or you're killing one of the most endearing traits in there... the warm glow of not knowing.

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Unless you wanted to make it really fun and in wormholes it would occasionally spew false positives and false negatives. You might be able to trust it, but might not. Though, that changes it from passive paranoia of not knowing to active paranoia knowing that you might be being lied to.

It could also give you variation on the intel you can gain from different wormholes, each class giving its own style of false info.

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Originally by: Callic Veratar

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Originally by: Ingvar Angst

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Another thing... active scanning has always historically made the scanner easier to find. If something like this were activated it should:

Drain cap, enough to really matter.
Give your position away with ease, such that a ship's scanner would find you to 100%, similar to a combat site.
Interfere with/ prevent your ability to warp, or disable on warp requiring you to start over.
Warn all other ships in range, probably even further out, that there's active scanning going on.

Think "sonar ping". You scream your presence to determine someone elses.

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This could go two ways.

First our current system could be "passive" and turning it on would be active. Active would give you scanning data, better targetting, but a massive sig radius (and maybe primary target for any FoF weapons).

Alternately, our current system is active with the scanner built in, (maybe bump the sig radius of all ships up by 40-50%). Turning it off would drop your sig radius down to almost nothing, but it may also disable targeting, weapon tracking, scanning, and even the overview...

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Originally by: Ciar Meara

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I like alot of the ideas that are thrown around here like:

- Friend of foe authentication
- Way to assertain the very rough location of cloaked ships
- Way to see moving/warping ships
- Turning D-SCAN and Probe scan into 1 big (that starts very rough) tool as it should be
- warning if your being scanned
- Effort and time versus results

In the future ships should be able to assertain a few things like the fact that your activly being scanned or being warped to.

The earlier EVE HUD had a sort of 3D radar incorperated that was taken out because it served no real purpose. Perhaps somebody can work something out that way. You can see a picture on that here (right hand of screen)

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Originally by: Ciar Meara

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I like wormholes also, I lived in a couple for a while. But the information suggested that you could get isn't available on hand. If you really want to find out if there are cloaked ships, where they are etc, you should work for that data and invest in modules, fits and time. Time here is the issue and effort, this information should not be available on short notice when launching a few drones. It should be refined, skilled for and analysed even then it shouldn't be easy.

Its more fun if people can actually find eachother, and if one of those persons can hunt for the other, or turn the tables on the hunter.

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Originally by: Faith Shazzer

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There are a lot of great proposal in here and most of them with lowsec/Nullsec in mind, which is of course where the "local"-intel is used the most and where people want it to change

So, to make it easier for this thread and for Ingvar to stop complaining about WH-tactics we should agree that this "advanced" directional-radar scanning is actually not usable in wormholes due to local anomalies in the higher frequency spectrum caused through the sleeper technology.
Pilots in these systems have thus to rely on "old" directional scanners. (the current one)


One problem solved, please go on.

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Originally by: Souverainiste

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And yet again, a CLOAKING DEVICE is meant to be CLOAKING, not semi-cloaked for 5 mins till someone scans you.

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